Comrade Baba Aye, a veteran trade unionist and activist, is Co-Convener, Coalition for Revolution (CORE) and a Council Member, Progressive International (PI). Baba Aye, former Deputy National Secretary, Labour Party (LP) and former National Convener, United Action for Democracy (UAD) during the June 12 struggle and Member, National Implementation Committee of the Campaign for Democracy (CD), spoke to EJIKEME OMENAZU on current issues in the polity. Excerpt:

You are a Co-Convener of the Coalition for Revolution (CORE) that organised peaceful protests across the country for a revolution that was expected to usher in a positive change in the lives of Nigerians. What is the state of CORE and the other affiliates now?

The series of peaceful protests you are talking about comprise the #RevolutionNow campaign launched on August 5, 2019 with nationwide #DayOfRage protests. The campaign helped to catalyse the reawakening of a spirit of re­volt against the oppressive rule of the APC in particular and the exploiter ruling class and their repressive apparatus in general. It contributed significantly to ig­niting the #EndSARS rebellion in October 2020. A lot has happened since, with both the coalition and its affiliates. CORE unfurled the campaign in the wake of a resolu­tion adopted by the African Action Congress (AAC). The Take It Back Movement of the AAC was a mem­ber-organisation of CORE. It was one of the two blocs that consti­tuted a coalition. CORE started as the TIB-AMPA Coalition. Socialist groups that were active in the Na­tional Conscience Party (NCP) be­fore the formation of AAC in 2018, had formed AMPA, which stood for the Alliance for the Masses Polit­ical Alternative. The aim was to deepen socialist ideas and politics in AAC which was evolving at the time as a radical reformist party. Today, AAC is a revolutionary party with radical eco-socialist and Pan-Africanist politics. The TIB cadre of AAC is ideologically clearer and politically more adroit as revolutionaries today. A series of CORE political education pro­cesses contributed to this as well as the ongoing TIB movement ed­ucation programme. The fire of praxis has also forged the steel of AAC as the revolutionary party of any significance in the coun­try. TIB is no longer an affiliate of CORE, formerly speaking. But it will continue to cooperate with the coalition, including on the #Revo­lutionNow campaign. The CORE affiliates which at the national level include the Federation of In­formal Workers’ Organisations of Nigeria (FIWON), Socialist Work­ers League (SWL), Movement for Africa’s Emancipation (MAE) and Pan-African Consciousness Renaissance (PACOR) are also re­doubling efforts at building CORE. This includes plans to consolidate on the formation of CORE state chapters.

Was the situation in Nigeria five years ago when #RevolutionNow was launched different from what obtains now? If so, how?

The situation has gone from very bad, to terribly worse, con­firming the argument of #Revo­lutionNow activists that we could have only one lasting solution to the situation of impoverishment of the poor masses: revolution to win our total liberation from the ruling class. Working class people have never had it as bad as is the case now, in our history. The cost of living has become unbearable. To feed, even on a zero-one-zero daily basis, has become harder for mil­lions of Nigerians. Children and wards of the poor are being priced out of access to public education with sharp rises in tuition fees at our universities and other tertia­ry educational institutions. To say the state of insecurity is alarming now would be an understatement. People are being kidnapped or waylaid and killed at a rate that would have been unbelievable for the undiscerning five years ago, despite the fact that even then the situation was already worrisome. But despite all this, President Bola Ahmed Tinubu claims that all is well with the economy. He is not alone in saying so. His imperialist masters have also lauded his bold steps in pushing through neo­liberal reforms such as removal of the fuel subsidy in a way that no earlier government had done and gotten away with. You must remember that there was a con­sensus around these neoliberal reforms by the four major parties representative of capital during their electoral campaigns. Be it PDP, APC or the Obidient LP, they all stand for the same thing. They serve the interests of capital, the profit-motive which drives the pol­itics of the 1% who get from this dog-eat-dog system.

Comrade Omoyele Sowore who was arrested five years ago was recently granted total freedom by the courts after he was arrested, detained, re­stricted and faced treasonable felony charges. How do you feel about his hard earned freedom?

It is more of an anti-climax, with tons of shame for the APC regime, if it were capable of shame. It was clear from the start that the state merely used the law to repress Sowore and the AAC. But, he stood boldly against them and the party flourished instead of being bowed. That being said, there are quite a few points of his­torical significance regarding this case, which I put in perspective in an article on the Socialist Workers League website. Top on the list is that history has in such a short time absolved #RevolutionNow campaigners, to borrow from that great speech of Fidel Castro on Oc­tober 16, 1953. Even the capitalist courts have had to rule that it is a democratic right to call for rev­olution. Meanwhile, some people on the Left had only expletives for us in August 2019. Finally, on this matter, I must salute Ope, Sowore’s wife and their children. They were strong for him in this period. But, it definitely was not easy. Beyond the political, I daresay they are he­roes of this ruthless suppression of not only Sowore’s right to move­ment, but consequently impinging for half a decade on his ability to be there with his family.

If the opportunity presents itself again, would you say that those coalitions could come together again to lead the masses once more to fight for a better future?

Organisations and coalitions are vehicles. The movement is that of the mass of the people. While it is not automatic that there will always be the required or most fit-for-purpose vehicle, history shows that there will always be some vehicle or the other formed, even in the heat of spontaneity. If you look at the recent protests against widespread hunger in the land, for example, the first wave of these erupted spontaneously, led by men and mostly women who were fed up with bearing the burden of suffering for a system that works for just a few, and stood up to say enough is enough. Now, don’t get me wrong. This is not a glorification of fetishisation of spontaneity. While the opening act of most revolutionary situations in history is spontaneous, it takes the vehicle of organisation, often as coalitions, for the oppressed to win the good fight and break their chains. But, it is not only sponta­neity that is not to be worshipped. Sometimes, the same organisa­tion or coalition comes together again, as you put it, at different moments in the working masses’ struggle. Sometimes, different or­ganisations and coalitions arise at different moments of that struggle. A good example is with the June 12 struggle. Don’t forget that the initial coalition at the vanguard of the popular mobilisation was the Campaign for Democracy (CD). But, it lost its way at some point in time, when it momentarily chose to give military coupists under Sani Abacha the benefit of the doubt, because MKO Abiola took that position. There was a lull for a while between 1995 and 1997, when the United Action for Democracy (UAD) was formed. It was UAD that organised the ‘5 Million Man March’ against Abacha in 1998 and led the rest of the struggle until the military had to step aside. It is not given if it will be the same or different organisations or coali­tions that play the leading role of vehicles for the popular struggle of the people. Playing such a role has to be earned in the theatre of struggle itself. It requires build­ing a critical mass of clearheaded and disciplined activists with deep roots in the people, to successfully live up to the requirements of such a leadership role.

Labour and Civil Society have been calling out the masses for peaceful hunger protests in the face of biting poverty and hardship which has left the citizens prostrate. How successful would you say these protests have been?

First, let me highlight the fact that even before organised labour and the radical civil society called for mass protests, the people them­selves had taken to the streets. It was the same thing in 2012 with #OccupyNigeria. Contrary to the ego trip that we tend to give our­selves as activists, we did not start that January Uprising. Within 24 hours of President Goodluck Jon­athan’s New Year Day announce­ment of the fuel pump price hike there had been spontaneous pro­tests across several cities. This was before the January 3 protest of rad­ical civil society in Lagos that year. Now, back to the question of how successful or not the protests have been. Take note of the fact that it is barely a month since the first of the spontaneous protests and less than two weeks since the protests organised by the trade unions and civil society. It’s this ‘morning yet on creation day’, to borrow from Chinua Achebe. There will most likely be more battles ahead. The struggle continues until victory is won.

Do you think the nation’s Leftist Movement is strong and virile enough to unite under one umbrella to snatch power from the current ruling class which are supported by neoliberal groups at home and abroad?

This is a very good question, following up on your last. The state of the Left is one of the main reasons why what the trade union bureaucracy does or does not do is what primarily defines anything of significance, if we could call such so, on the part of most left­ists and their groups. They try to make crutches of the trade unions for our own ill-formed political legs, instead of reaching out to and extending deep roots into the rank-and-file of workers and other grassroots strata of the working people. Apart from the AAC/TIB, there is no strand of the Left with national spread and a significant critical mass of membership. Yet, ego-driven sectarianism is rather rife in the movement. However, revolutionary struggle has nev­er been waged by perfect people. Revolutions themselves lead not only to the overthrow of the ruling class. The praxis of revolutionary struggle itself serves as a basis for the rebirth of what Che Gue­vara described as the new man. Similarly, building the vehicle of organisation for revolution has not been a task fulfilled any­where simply because everybody senses correctly and the egos or narratives of some leftists and their organisations are not a thousand and one times larger than whatever extent they have or can ever move the needle on history’s clock. We must build with what we have. That being said, I would also want to de­bunk the myth of the need for a monolithic body of organisation for revolution, or under one um­brella as you put it. (Sunday Independent)